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Post by rachle on Sept 15, 2007 19:39:18 GMT -5
Last night. I was watching Sailor Moon and noticed that Sailor Uranus and Neptune are close.
Are they together or just good friends?
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Post by bubbles on Sept 15, 2007 19:49:04 GMT -5
Iunno, but sailor Mercury is -hot-.
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Post by gothicruffle on Sept 15, 2007 19:51:13 GMT -5
The nature of Haruka and Michiru's relationship has been questioned for many years now, despite the overwhelming evidence. Alot of people thought that they were "just good friends", but actually they are lovers. (Check the proof below)
They never directly told eachother that they loved eachother, but in Japanese culture, love is shown through action, and not through words. It would have been improper for either of them to have acted otherwise. Naoko Takeuchi, the creator of Sailormoon, has said herself on numerous occasions that Haruka and Michiru are in fact lovers (The most recent confirmation by Takeuchi-san was at the San Diego Comic-Con this year. Paraphrased, she stated that 'Haruka is masculine while Michiru is feminine, so it's only natural that they would fall in love.' An article was also printed in the Italian magazine called Kappa confirming this.)
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Post by rachle on Sept 15, 2007 19:52:25 GMT -5
But, where is the evidence in the shows?
I like your icon, by the way.
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Post by gothicruffle on Sept 15, 2007 20:08:51 GMT -5
Thank you; I didn't make it myself, but I added the pink hair and yellow eyes. Your's is nice too, I think I saw someone else had it on livejournal. Is that where you got it? Here's all the evidence I have/need to show that they are lovers. Evidence 1: Haruka and Michiru are always hanging around together. They keep to themselves and interact with each other a lot more than with outsiders. Quite clearly, they're good friends. Evidence 2: When Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune appear, they generally stand back to back. What does this mean? They could be close friends, or they could be lovers! Evidence 3: Here's a famous quote from the Sailor Moon movie. (Sailor Uranus and Neptune have just defeated an enemy who planned to never allow children to grow up.) <Uranus:> A world where children can stay as children... <Neptune:> Becoming an adult makes it more fun. They shouldn't interfere, should they. *Neptune looks at Uranus* *Uranus raises her eyebrow and coughs, embarrassed* Hmm, becoming an adult makes what more fun? Evidence 4: Take a look at this picture. It certainly looks like they enjoy dancing together. Most of us have seen two girls dance together though who weren't necessarily lovers or even dating. (Source: Sailor Moon S ep. 108) Evidence 5: Here in this picture are holding hands. Look at both the hands (not many best friends hold friends like that), Michiru's eyes (she is looking rather lovesick). Are you starting to get convinced? (Source: Sailor Moon S trading card) Evidence 7: In this image we see Sailor Uranus and Neptune holding each other. Notice how they're both looking into each other's eyes and how Uranus' body is pressed against Neptune's. Uranus also has her hands around Neptune's chest, an area that women do not allow to be touched by anyone other than the people they care about the most. (Source: Sailor Moon S laserdisc cover) Evidence 8: One of the sweetest images in Sailor Moon, this was featured in the manga. Among the senshi, Michiru is laying on Haruka's naked breast, touching her chest. Haruka has her arm wrapped around Michiru. Please realize that no matter how close, friends do not touch each other when nude. (Source: Sailor Moon Artbook #3) And there you have it. Despite this overwhelming evidence, there will always be some who will try to deny that Haruka and Michiru are lovers. Those who do so are blinded by their homophobia and naiveté. Please, forgive me if I sounded like a know it all. I do not mean to.
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Post by rachle on Sept 15, 2007 20:25:46 GMT -5
Wow. You sure know alot about Sailor Moon?
Yes, I got my icon from livejournal.
You don't sound liike a know it all, don't worry.
You're new arn't you? Fav.s: Movie? Web Comic? Sailor Moon Character? Book? Hobbies?
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Post by gothicruffle on Sept 15, 2007 20:34:35 GMT -5
Yes, I do know alot about it. Every other weekend my girlfriend and I get togather, and choose a series to watch. Needless to say when we invite others to watch them with us, and let them choose they usually choose some of the basics (Sailor Moon, Pokemon, Fruits Basket, ect...) So I know the story line quite well.
My Favorites: Movie: I don't have one, I don't watch that many movies. Web Comic: (Aside from Vampirates XD) Probably Red String. Sailor Moon Character: Mercury, don't ask me why. Book: The Lovely Bones Hobbies: drawing, reading, writing, dance, going to water parks, computers, talking online with friends, doing hair, baking sweets.
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Post by Clover on Sept 15, 2007 20:48:15 GMT -5
Gothicruffle has the proofs neccessary, really, for a convincing arguement. Also, if I remember correctly, there's two versions of the series on the market: the Western dub and the Japanese original. The Dub, modified as it was for a more conservative Western audience, toned down a considerable amount of material--- and actually made Haruka and Michiru 'cousins'. In the original, it's just accepted as fact that they're lovers.
That's pretty much all. Though gothicruffle... I have actually never once met anyone who insisted that Haruka and Michiru were just good friends. That must have been a fun conversation. Welcome to the forums, by the way.
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Post by gothicruffle on Sept 15, 2007 21:20:21 GMT -5
2Clover: After, I posted I remember that I hadn't mentioned about the two versions, but decided against it; wanting to keep it simple. Though they were cousins even in the western version if you watch it in Japanese with English (or the language you speak) supcaption then you will notice that they say quite a few... mature things to eachother. Just off the top of my head they once said to eachother (and might I add this isn't a direct quote, but it is close to it "Let us be alone togather, I want to do things to you." Like I said not a direct quote, but still I couldn't believe that they played this on children's channels (ie: Cartoonnetwork.) I added the 'good friends' part becuase while looking up the pictures someone quoted that they were just very close friends. Though... I don't let my dates touch me in that way, let alone my closest friends. Thank you for the welcome Everyone here is so nice, I'm glad.
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Post by Aindel on Sept 15, 2007 21:27:05 GMT -5
I met someone who insisted that once. They'd only ever seen mainstream dub anime, so they had no idea that the Western show was severely edited. It was a major "headdesk" conversation.
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Post by gothicruffle on Sept 15, 2007 22:54:28 GMT -5
I always prefer to watch the origional anime, read the book, and then finally watch the Western version of it. It really bugs me that at most anime/manga/book stores you have to ask the clerk for the origional manga instead of the edited, and sometimes the dosn't even have it. Then you are forced to order it, and wait for 6 weeks for it to get to you. Maybe that's just a personal experence, and it might only be where I live, but it ticks me off.
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Post by The Star Fox on Sept 16, 2007 0:00:43 GMT -5
Bonjour gothicruffle!!!! Comme Ca Va? Je m'appelle Renard
Je sais rien au sujet de Manga, mais j'ai pense que je devrais dire "Bonjour!" et "Comme Ca va?"
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Post by AndrogynousMelon on Sept 16, 2007 0:21:49 GMT -5
I'd touch Clover like that, and I'm just her friend. Just sayin. Anyway. =D Sailormoon was one of the first animes I saw (fairly sure the first was Dragon Ball- and I watched the dub with my uncle?), back before I knew what it was. I didn't find out for...oh jeez YEARS that Michiru and Haruka were not, in fact, cousins. And even with the editing they did, their relationship seemed a little -too- close. On topic with heavily edited coupling- Card Captor Sakura anybody?
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Post by limbowoman on Sept 16, 2007 0:43:07 GMT -5
Sailor Moon is still shown here in the morning for little kids... if it wasn't edited I'd be getting a lot of questions from nephews and nieces...
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Post by gothicruffle on Sept 16, 2007 9:29:01 GMT -5
2Fox: Bonjour Monsieur Renard! Je m'appelle Lu-Leigh , , ou gothicruffle. Comment allez-vous ? Je suis très bien. Me pardonner, mais je ne suis pas un à l'aise dans le Français encore. Veuillez ainsi pardonnent toutes les erreurs de grammaire. Have an nice day. 2AndrogynousMelon: Oh, I've never been a huge fan of the Dragon Ball series, but I was (and still am) one of thoes people who collects all the Pokemon cards. That was actually the first big (more then 5 letter) word I could spell "Pokemon"; haha, I was quite a nerd. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend with the touching comment; it is just something I wouldn't so, please forgive my close minded ness. When I was younger and watching the morning cartoons, I always thought that they were VERY, VERY close cousins. By the way, you're display icon, it's very cute. XD. 2LimboWoman: Yeah that would be pretty, I don't know how to say it, is acqurd the word? That was something I never fully understood; why did they show this to the younger audience? Aside from the fact that it's an enjoyable series, it does have some pretty raunchy stuff (even in the edited.) Did anyone else use to wish that they had cool close like Salior Moon? Where she just said a few magic words, pressed a button and they materalized out of thin air?
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